The war will end when Israel declares it has ended. Anyone reading that and thinking I’m anti-Israel is wrong. Quite the opposite is true. A lot of good folks here and in Israel know where I’m coming from. This “excursion” is a man made mess. Ain’t no Messiah coming to bail us out.
I agree with you. I’m pro the people of Israel, but anti Netanyahu. Exactly as I’m pro U S citizens, but anti felon in the White House. Both “leaders” belong in prison, not the respective governments where they reside.
We’re in the bomb dropping phase of a war that began long before the noise and the murder of school children. The bomb phase will likely end once we return to the gas lines of the early ‘70’s and middle America is paying $7 a gallon. But then the original war will again commence, fueled by even greater enmity than before. Trump will be remembered as Netanyahu’s bitch, and we’ll all get to think harder about crafting a civilization no longer reliant on the dinosaurs.
Yes, one can hope it will renew recognition that reliance on fossil fuel is the past not the future. As for gas lines and the '70s...Trump has never moved beyond that era.
I’m hoping that the upcoming No Kings protest will be the largest ever, and will focus on this absurd and deadly war, “non-war,” “little excursion,” total disaster. And btw I weep for the Iranian people, who have suffered so much and are now seeing their homeland destroyed.
I fear that, if we actually put boots on the ground, we’ll end up with another Iraq or Afghanistan. My hope is that Trump’s “friends” in the Middle East will deter him. This is Netanyahu’s (another dangerous criminal) war. Not ours. Pray, work, and fight for peace!
Boots on the ground in Iran is foolish. Iran is surrounded by mountains so how will troops quickly and quietly get into the country? But everything Trump does is foolish.
I keep looking at my calendar… thinking… today would be a good day.
I mean he’s winding down but his energy levels are so inconsistent- I keep thinking… what the heck are they pumping into that bruised now gigantically gorged right hand: nitro?
For pure curiosity I’d like to know the combination of drugs in that cocktail.
(Not for personal use… just purely for perusal ☺️)
Given that during a speech this week Trump repeatedly referred to Caroline Leavitt as Kellyanne Conway, and then addressed her by that name, how long can Trump's cabinet put off calling for a fully disclosed medical assessment of his physical and neurological status as a prelude to invoking the 25th amendment. And, why aren't more member of congress urging them to do so?
They are also the ‘dumb and dumber’ versions of people like Lindsey Graham who are like little boys “ playing war” .
They are elated that this mindless, senseless episode of death and destruction continues.
What is wrong here is none of them have the moral compass to see that purposeful death and destruction of people is evil. Not a game that someone wins .
My hope for them to come to reality is moot.
They refuse to see anything that upsets their belief that this shows how powerful they are.
Trump has systematically destroyed our economy with his pet projects.
Tariffs and war and he’s scammed money for himself throughout his time in office.
These are our ? Leaders? Pitiful and so damn dangerous.
I think that even when (and if) the "war" ends, that Iran will continue a different type of war . One that involves smaller attacks by individuals and hidden groups.
I think ending this war will be like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
But then, I am definitely not a war person - or a military person. I am just an old lady who has watched things unfold during my lifetime.
I agree that this is Israel’s war. Trump taking his cues from Bibi. Both corrupt criminals, but Bibi doesn’t have dementia, but rather a fervent desire to decimate Iran beyond rebuilding and screw the consequences. Trump is so out of his depth, and has only know-nothing bozos advising him, that I doubt he has any grasp at all of what he has unleashed- certainly he has no goal that is identifiable, because he had to wait for Bibi to tell him. Trump’s actions are also benefiting Putin, like everything else he’s done. And remarkably, it very likely all comes down to Epstein.
They have more than ammo, they have the blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. If that goes on much longer than 2 weeks, the food crisis come late summer and fall is going to have Americans howling! More than the gas, it's the fertilizer that's the big card Iran holds!
We should also factor into this equation the chips made in Taiwan. Lack of LNG will greatly diminish their chip production - so vital to our economy and the rest of the world. LNG is transported from the S of H, as is our precious fertilizer and the ingredients for all that plastic for our foods and other items. This situation entails much more than oil. Many of the expert planners for these situations were fired or quit from DOGE cuts and other insults about the deep state. Now what? Sounds like the only bargaining chip here is to silence the media and critics.
Yes, exactly. There’s more than one kind of ammo, and geography did Iran a favor, by giving them the S of H. I’ve seen a line somewhere that they are thinking about talks on opening the S of H, but why would they?
I see Iran as a wounded animal - they are enraged, and I think they will inflict as much pain as they can - they don’t care who is hurt. If the US tries to take the Strait (ground troops), Iran will inflict a terrible price.
Not sure protests will move Trump- he’ll care only if he thinks he’s starting to lose his base & that hasn’t happened yet. Elections? He’s pulling out all the stops to disenfranchise Democrats, stock state election boards with election deniers & if all else fails, he stands ready to declare a state of insurrection and invoke martial law. In my view, short of actual civil war, the only thing that could save us is a Congress that asserts its power and says no. And there is about a zero percent chance of that happening. There is one other potential out - if he f***s up the economy so badly that his billionaire puppet masters pull the plug on him.
Doesn’t mean we don’t keep resisting and protesting-we must do that. But the real movement will come if either the MAGA faithful or the billionaires decide they’ve had enough.
The war will end when the costs to Trump exceed the benefits. Increases in the price of gas and groceries are not a consideration. Prolonging the war distracts the public from the Epstein files and the tanking economy. Ultimately pressure from the gulf states who have showered money on Trump and his family may be the decisive factor.
With a well trained standing army of over a million men, I suspect that those 2500 “marines” will all,be dead by the end of this coming week. This man is delusional if he thinks 2500 soldiers can take on and defeat over a million!
One thing that concerns me is that Iranians, and maybe others (see Islamic sectarian violence and how old it is) have long memories. Iran has declared the school children martyrs, and said that even one of them deserved revenge, and there were 170. Individuals and small groups are likely to cause the kind of violence we saw against the Michigan synagogue for a very long time.
The war will end when Israel declares it has ended. Anyone reading that and thinking I’m anti-Israel is wrong. Quite the opposite is true. A lot of good folks here and in Israel know where I’m coming from. This “excursion” is a man made mess. Ain’t no Messiah coming to bail us out.
I agree with you. I’m pro the people of Israel, but anti Netanyahu. Exactly as I’m pro U S citizens, but anti felon in the White House. Both “leaders” belong in prison, not the respective governments where they reside.
We’re in the bomb dropping phase of a war that began long before the noise and the murder of school children. The bomb phase will likely end once we return to the gas lines of the early ‘70’s and middle America is paying $7 a gallon. But then the original war will again commence, fueled by even greater enmity than before. Trump will be remembered as Netanyahu’s bitch, and we’ll all get to think harder about crafting a civilization no longer reliant on the dinosaurs.
Yes, one can hope it will renew recognition that reliance on fossil fuel is the past not the future. As for gas lines and the '70s...Trump has never moved beyond that era.
Israel is very dependent on oil — from regions that don’t need the Straits of Hormuz.
I’m hoping that the upcoming No Kings protest will be the largest ever, and will focus on this absurd and deadly war, “non-war,” “little excursion,” total disaster. And btw I weep for the Iranian people, who have suffered so much and are now seeing their homeland destroyed.
I fear that, if we actually put boots on the ground, we’ll end up with another Iraq or Afghanistan. My hope is that Trump’s “friends” in the Middle East will deter him. This is Netanyahu’s (another dangerous criminal) war. Not ours. Pray, work, and fight for peace!
Boots on the ground in Iran is foolish. Iran is surrounded by mountains so how will troops quickly and quietly get into the country? But everything Trump does is foolish.
When he feels it in his depends.
Which are already so full of s...t!
Well, I don't think he shares anything, with anyone... so...
When we the people end this reign.
Or
As he says, when
He feels it in his bones😵💫
Those bones are diseased.
‼️yes, Al
I keep looking at my calendar… thinking… today would be a good day.
I mean he’s winding down but his energy levels are so inconsistent- I keep thinking… what the heck are they pumping into that bruised now gigantically gorged right hand: nitro?
For pure curiosity I’d like to know the combination of drugs in that cocktail.
(Not for personal use… just purely for perusal ☺️)
You think they’d tell? Hell no.
It could be leaked.
Let’s concentrate
Given that during a speech this week Trump repeatedly referred to Caroline Leavitt as Kellyanne Conway, and then addressed her by that name, how long can Trump's cabinet put off calling for a fully disclosed medical assessment of his physical and neurological status as a prelude to invoking the 25th amendment. And, why aren't more member of congress urging them to do so?
Trump and Hegseth are not reality based.
They are also the ‘dumb and dumber’ versions of people like Lindsey Graham who are like little boys “ playing war” .
They are elated that this mindless, senseless episode of death and destruction continues.
What is wrong here is none of them have the moral compass to see that purposeful death and destruction of people is evil. Not a game that someone wins .
My hope for them to come to reality is moot.
They refuse to see anything that upsets their belief that this shows how powerful they are.
Trump has systematically destroyed our economy with his pet projects.
Tariffs and war and he’s scammed money for himself throughout his time in office.
These are our ? Leaders? Pitiful and so damn dangerous.
I think that even when (and if) the "war" ends, that Iran will continue a different type of war . One that involves smaller attacks by individuals and hidden groups.
I think ending this war will be like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
But then, I am definitely not a war person - or a military person. I am just an old lady who has watched things unfold during my lifetime.
I agree that this is Israel’s war. Trump taking his cues from Bibi. Both corrupt criminals, but Bibi doesn’t have dementia, but rather a fervent desire to decimate Iran beyond rebuilding and screw the consequences. Trump is so out of his depth, and has only know-nothing bozos advising him, that I doubt he has any grasp at all of what he has unleashed- certainly he has no goal that is identifiable, because he had to wait for Bibi to tell him. Trump’s actions are also benefiting Putin, like everything else he’s done. And remarkably, it very likely all comes down to Epstein.
Your so'called surgical strike in Venezuela still destroyed civilian property and we have no idea how many Venezuelans were injured or killed.
DonOLD needs to be permanently removed by any means.
Right you are.
I think the war will end when Iran runs out of ammo. They are going to inflict pain as long as they can.
They have more than ammo, they have the blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. If that goes on much longer than 2 weeks, the food crisis come late summer and fall is going to have Americans howling! More than the gas, it's the fertilizer that's the big card Iran holds!
We should also factor into this equation the chips made in Taiwan. Lack of LNG will greatly diminish their chip production - so vital to our economy and the rest of the world. LNG is transported from the S of H, as is our precious fertilizer and the ingredients for all that plastic for our foods and other items. This situation entails much more than oil. Many of the expert planners for these situations were fired or quit from DOGE cuts and other insults about the deep state. Now what? Sounds like the only bargaining chip here is to silence the media and critics.
Silence the media critics? And how's that going? People who want to know are finding independent journalists.
Yes, exactly. There’s more than one kind of ammo, and geography did Iran a favor, by giving them the S of H. I’ve seen a line somewhere that they are thinking about talks on opening the S of H, but why would they?
I see Iran as a wounded animal - they are enraged, and I think they will inflict as much pain as they can - they don’t care who is hurt. If the US tries to take the Strait (ground troops), Iran will inflict a terrible price.
Absolutely agree. BTW Iranian oil is flowing through the Sof H - to China! Gotta love that!
Not sure protests will move Trump- he’ll care only if he thinks he’s starting to lose his base & that hasn’t happened yet. Elections? He’s pulling out all the stops to disenfranchise Democrats, stock state election boards with election deniers & if all else fails, he stands ready to declare a state of insurrection and invoke martial law. In my view, short of actual civil war, the only thing that could save us is a Congress that asserts its power and says no. And there is about a zero percent chance of that happening. There is one other potential out - if he f***s up the economy so badly that his billionaire puppet masters pull the plug on him.
Doesn’t mean we don’t keep resisting and protesting-we must do that. But the real movement will come if either the MAGA faithful or the billionaires decide they’ve had enough.
The war will end when the costs to Trump exceed the benefits. Increases in the price of gas and groceries are not a consideration. Prolonging the war distracts the public from the Epstein files and the tanking economy. Ultimately pressure from the gulf states who have showered money on Trump and his family may be the decisive factor.
By definition what trump is doing in Iran is an incursion, not an excursion.
With a well trained standing army of over a million men, I suspect that those 2500 “marines” will all,be dead by the end of this coming week. This man is delusional if he thinks 2500 soldiers can take on and defeat over a million!
One thing that concerns me is that Iranians, and maybe others (see Islamic sectarian violence and how old it is) have long memories. Iran has declared the school children martyrs, and said that even one of them deserved revenge, and there were 170. Individuals and small groups are likely to cause the kind of violence we saw against the Michigan synagogue for a very long time.