Yesterday Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro addressed criticism that he talks like a “bad impression of Barack Obama” by Donald Trump’s running mate, J.D. Vance. Shapiro noted that the former president is a “gifted orator,” so “it's kind of a weird insult.” Then he drilled in: “I'll say this about J.D. Vance: It is real hard being honest with the American people when you're not being honest with yourself. J.D. Vance is a total phony baloney. He is the most inorganic candidate I think I have ever seen on the national stage.”
The comments by Shapiro, who has canceled all of his weekend’s previously scheduled events before Kamala Harris’ planned Tuesday announcement of her VP pick in Philadelphia, sounds an awful lot like a prospective vice presidential candidate testing out attack lines. Meanwhile, for over a week, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has been delivering high-impact performances that have accelerated conversation about his prospects as Harris’ pick. With folksy charm, he’s the one who first characterized the GOP ticket as weird: “You know there's something wrong with people when they talk about freedom: freedom to be in your bedroom, freedom to be in your exam room, freedom to tell your kids what they can read. That stuff is weird. They come across weird.”
You might have noticed that I have refrained from assessing each of the prospective VP candidates who Kamala Harris might select. This is her choice, especially now that she has secured enough delegate votes to be the presumptive Democratic nominee for president. It’s up to her to pick the person who she is convinced can be a successful governing partner and communicator of her agenda and values. Until now this discussion—which also includes Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg on the shortlist—has felt more like a parlor game than anything else. Yes, the popular Shapiro helps with locking up battleground Pennsylvania, former astronaut Kelly has a compelling bio and Buttigieg may be the party’s most gifted communicator. Every prospect has their strengths and weaknesses.
But with the word that she’s conducting interviews this weekend and the expectation that she will announce her running mate by Tuesday, this seems like the right time for this community to share our thoughts on the collection of Democrats who may be serving our country for the next four years. I hope today’s forum is a chance not just to predict a winner—sorry, no special prizes for making the right prediction—but to reflect on the character, principles and policies that can define the country’s future and suggest the depth and quality of Democratic leadership.
So, who do you think VP Harris should choose as her running mate? Who do you think she will choose? And what other Democrats particularly appeal to you, be it as a VP or as the kind of leader that the country needs? Lastly, whoever Harris chooses, how confident are you that she’s on her way to victory?
As always, I look forward to reading your observations and for the opportunity of this community to learn from each other. Please do be respectful in your remarks. Trolling will not be tolerated.
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*Photo: Last month on July 13, VP Kamala Harris and Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro spoke to the press at Philadelphia’s Reading Terminal Market. Photo by Ryan Collerd/AFP via Getty Images.
Yes, which is the only reason I place Walz at top and not Pete who is the best. But I’m a California progressive and don’t trust the general electorate to vote a gay dad in. Not this year.
We have to trust the electorate. Pete walked away with the Iowa primary, and was a hairsbreadth away from the same in NH. Biden wasn’t even in it until SC. And I do wonder, with the possible exception of SC, how Pete would have fared elsewhere. He was so damn impressive in his local appearances. Warren was good, but very progressive, and not nearly as exciting. I think she is terrific, but no contest with Pete. He is knowledgeable about foreign affairs and wars from a combat perspective too. In ways that matter, I think he picks up the local and foreign in a way Kamala does not.
I think Kamala can win this. Trump is just on repeat, he is in so much trouble in the legal arena, and this Project 2025 issue should torpedo him. Say what he will, it is his minions running the show at the Heritage Foundation. We need to shout from the rooftops to be sure everyone knows about this.
I couldn’t agree with you more Alex. I have been saying this since before Biden left the race. Harris/Buttigieg are my dream tickets. The fact that Pete did that in 2020 running against Sanders! and Warren! at the tender age of 34 shows how much of a juggernaut he absolutely is. I think democrats are overthinking the gay issue since ALL homophones will always find a reason not to vote Democrat anyhow. A Harris/Buttigieg ticket would break the internet along with all time records amounts of money and real world engagement. The enthusiasm would be unbelievably immense. Oh so much wish for that to happen. I can Christian Nationalist heads explode! It would be sublime, for a Black woman and a married gay man to end their reign of bitterness and hatred. So epic it would be.
A happy, hopeful future. I would be thrilled. And I think you are right about enthusiasm levels. All VP contenders have some baggage, but Pete’s sexuality has been known from the get go. It is not a deep dark secret. And I really think those in red states particularly who would not vote for him for that reason are not voting for a Harris ticket anyway. Here’s to a glorious, tolerant future!
I wish they could all be a revolving VP because they each bring uniqueness, capabilities, and experience. I am in love with Pete because he is military war veteran and speaks something like 6 different languages. The only thing is that he will not convince those swing states to vote for him because he’s gay and it’s a damn shame. He’s so bright, quick-witted, and has government experience now. He’s 42 years old, the youngest of the group. I think he will and people will, be ready for him in 2032. Walz is clever and sharp-tongued as hell! He is the same age as Kamala and also very forward thinking. Has made great strides in his state with childcare, staunch advocate for women, stopped the banning of books in his state. Beshear has been the absolute best governor for KY! He’s young (46) and my opinion is that he should stay as governor. They need him badly. Then Shapiro…gawwwd love him! He too, is young (51) and has completely given PA what it needs as a governor. He does not have a lot of government experience but he has a wonderful way of connecting with all people. The fact that PA overwhelmingly elected a Jewish man as governor is unprecedented.
I’m curious about your opinion on Pete not being able to sway swing states bc he is gay. If that was such a huge impediment then how do you explain his success in 2020 in places predominantly conservative like Iowa and NH? He went toe to toe with such darlings like Sanders and Warren. With that being said, I strongly feel that this notion of him as a gay man alienating people is extremely outdated and overblown. His 2020 performances IMO clearly demonstrates that.
Perhaps it is time to stop saying that it won’t happen, and hope that it will. I think Pete’s measured, enthusiastic and informed responses to questions are ultimately better than Walz zingers (though those are fun). I don’t know what kind of enthusiasm Kelly can generate, though he is a national hero and worthy of our gratitude and support. I can’t help feeling Josh Shapiro is trying awfully hard—perhaps too hard? And he doesn’t have as much governing experience or campaigning credentials as the much younger Pete.
I didn’t even think about that one! But you’re absolutely correct, he was a mayor for 8 years I believe, as a young gay man in a very red state. You know, JFK, he was a Catholic and people wouldn’t elect him. Bill Clinton was young, admitted to having smoked weed, avoided the draft, and the reactionary religious right saw him as the devil. Ofc, Barack Hussein Obama, who not only had an incredible easy to target name, but was also a Black man of mixed race. Finally HRC, who even though didn’t pull the electoral college win, was a woman who had been the target of the reactionary right since the 1990’s. All these people have in common the “people won’t vote for someone who is _______” factor and yet ALL of them won the popular vote in their respective elections bc they were great candidates. Pete Buttigieg is a remarkable candidate, married with children gay man and all. He is absolutely amazing and brilliant. He is the best choice for VP in 2023. Harris/Buttigieg 2024 all day long!
Doesn’t the fact that they’re announcing the pick in Philly tells us that they’re picking Shapiro? I mean, you wouldn’t go to his backyard and choose somebody else, would you?
I fear that. But Shapiro had an easy run against Mastriano, and hasn’t been in office long. Also, that bridge was fixed with federal government assistance (Pete).
My preference is for Pete. He has been doing an awful lot of national television shows for someone who's a transportation secretary. And he's been everywhere on the internet, speaking in his calm manner, with just the right questions and answers. Personally I think he's the most talented but they are all good, And no matter who you're going to win because we are going to make sure we win. I feel it. Just like I feel that Joe Biden could have done it as well.
I’ve thought about that too. I wonder with the population that is willing to vote in a black/asian woman would frown on a gay father. In my personal experience most people who love one love the other. I could be very wrong. Wishful thinking?
Yeah, because the best way to bring a gay man into politics is NOT to vote for him. Holy shit, Pete is the best thing out there and he did amazingly well in 2020 for a guy from South Bend. Democrats will not hesitate to vote the ticket because Pete's gay.
Maybe not so much frown on but humans by nature resist change. A ticket with a mixed race woman and a gay man or a Jewish man is a massive change in status quo and would be a bridge too hard to cross for many. There is a level of comfort to be had in a the known quantity of a straight white christian male. Terribly sad and unfair but true in my experience of living in a very conservative state and even more conservative rural county. The fear of unknown and change is real. I think Walz or Brashear would provide a good balancing factor.
The overall point is there is not wiggle room to lose any gettable voter be it a young voter, a middle of the roader, a fence sitter, a Republican who is feeling the ick to trump. Sometimes we lead with reality rather than heart.
I'm with you I don't think it's wishful thinking. I think the only people who actually care about any of those things, are never going to change anything about their vote or their attitude. I think now is the time and Pete's the right choice.
Shapiro’s position on vouchers disqualifies him for me. Walz has experience in the Congress and as an executive. Love Pete but US is not ready YET. Not a good idea to force a special election in Arizona. If Lake loses she will just run again.
Shapiro's view on vouchers did not match his actions--he line-item vetoed additional funding for vouchers in this year's budget. Just sayin'--sometimes politicians run along a thin edge, especially in a purple state. There is no path to an EC win without PA--none.
I agree on the vouchers thing. Big negative for me. They suck money out of GOOD public schooling to support religious schools - nah, bro! I'm also concerned about his extreme support for Israel/Netanyahu.
I am a Mark Kelly advocate but I’ve heard pundits say he lacks charisma. Hmmm. I think he checks the boxes of what “weaknesses” she has. The Democratic gov of Az can appoint his replacement.
~Pete is the best, but sadly, I don't feel that the country is ready to choose quality & qualifications over his harmless and admirable personal life. (I can hear the awful "jokes" coming from the right wing-nuts, already: A "X" and a "Y" walk into a bar...")
~Shapiro might bring PA into the electoral fold, but might the situation in Israel color voters' opinions? Also, he yells too much!
~Kelly has a compelling story, a wonderful wife with a compelling story, is moderate, and might bring AZ along, electorally, but is he dynamic enough?
~the other two are not as well known, IMHO, and may not have the electoral appeal of the three, above.
In the end, all are terrific, but the choice is VP Harris's to make, and whomever she selects, it will be a wise and a winning decision. All of these men, and others who have been mentioned such as "Big Gretch" will be amazing additions to Harris's cabinet once she wins in November!
Your fearmongering about a gay politician is not welcome to me, as the mother of a gay woman. Pete did not suffer in 2020 because he's gay and it's damn time we stop using this excuse because we're so afraid of the GOP.
It was not fearmongering--it was simply acknowledging a problem so many sick homophobes express. He would be my choice for VP, any and every day of the week--wicked smart, great experience and life story, accomplished. Sadly, this election is so critical that we can not risk losing any votes for stupid reasons like sexual preference, religious affiliation, or other purely superficial reasons.
The effect is fear mongering. We need to stop being so goddamned scared of Trump and do the right thing, not decide a man's career based on his sexuality. That's just not who we should be. And I don't think that is who we are. Voting for a woman of color is OK, but voting for a gay man is not? Really?
With total respect, I beg to differ, but that still is our right, yes? I LOVE Pete (as my [straight] son says, Pete is "Smart as fuck!"), and I feel he is the best qualified for VP. But IMHO, if there is ANY risk that the stupid, misguided homophobes out there might doom the chances of a Harris win, that risk should not be taken. Too much is at stake.
I think Pete would be great. I don't think many of the voters you're worried about are even going to look at the VP pick when they see the head of the ticket. I really believe it is entirely up to Ms. Harris to decide who she could best work with. If she can work with them, I think Pete, Kelly, and Walsh all offer top-flight credentials.
Gov Shapiro because PA brings 19 or 20 Electoral votes (have seen both figures for PA), versus 10 from Minnesota or 11 from Arizona. Each of these men brings considerable talent to the position, but it’s about Electoral votes. The former president (Trump!) is an existential threat to our Democracy!!! That should bear considerable weight; it’s not really a likability matter. Thanks.
SHAPIRO FEEL SLEAZY TO ME. Too much baggage: wants private school vouchers; covered up sex scandal in his office; too pro-Israel, given the number of Democrats who are concerned about Palestinians in Gaza; pro-fracking. Dislike his overbearing personality.
TIM WALZ: beloved public school teacher; wants public universities in Minnesota to be tuition free; free school lunches (duh). Great personality. Will attract undecided white males. I am a WALZNUT!
Kamala needs no problems in this selection! Turning it over to Eric Holder and C&B team was very smart! Kamala has many other issues on her plate. She is boiling it down with close staff, and Doug, this weekend. Her final decision will be a wise, thoughtful one. Stay tuned!
Was for Kelly but not as articulate as others. Was for Shapiro but may be too anxious,
IsraelI issues and protest problems. Like Pritzker business background and politics. Like Walz straight forward, honest, and very sensible statements this week. Kamala has wonderful choices, but she is a FAB choice herself!! Forward with a smile!
Yes, Shapiro's hawkishness puts me off vis-a-vis Gaza. But even more so, young people in particular cannot trust him because of his positions in that area.
All excellent points about Walz. I’m below the Mason-Dixon Line, so I’ve just become familiar with him. But I really like him - probably for all the positive qualities you mentioned (I’m an old school person, too).
I’ve heard a lot about Shapiro, but he does come across as a bit “slick” to me. I know nothing about any scandals, etc, and all I’ve heard has been positive about him …… UNTIL I heard he supports school vouchers.
That all but disqualifies him as someone I’d feel 100% about. But I know that the public school situation is different in major metropolitan areas than it is in Appalachia. So, I’m open to hearing his arguments in favor of them before I blackball him.
And no matter who Harris’s running mate is, I know he will be better than the JV candidate. Walz does hit a lot of positive notes for me, though.
I've seen several people comment that Shapiro's support of school vouchers is "disqualifying " for him as a VP pick. He likely would have no say at all in that program if the ticket were elected. Shouldn't voters consider the full resume, voting record, and emotional intelligence when choosing an elected official?
Thanks, Joan! I agree with you. I am not a fan of school vouchers, but the President sets policy, not the VP. Governors have more executive experience than Senators, which weakens Kelly for me, though I like him. Kelly is not an inspiring speaker. Which I think we need to keep momentum.
I like both Walz and Shapiro, though I would like to know more about all the candidates.
I feel like Walz is a special option. Have only seen him a couple of times but he seems so down to earth and accessible and certainly lacking in the kind of self-centeredness we see too often in politicians. I like the folksiness. But really am not able to predict and trust Kamala to know what will work best for the country as a whole as well as her own agenda.
I think Walz would be the best - he’s tested, he’s articulate but doesn’t sound like a typical elite, he’s funny, and there’s a folksy “I’m comfortable in my skin” vibe to him. Plus he has the youngsters on TikTok all fired up - a sort of midwestern style Bernie Sanders effect - which will probably help with the millennial vote. I think a Harris/Walz ticket is a good balance of sharp west coast savvy intellect and easygoing Midwest common sense good hearted smarts.
Agreed, Walz really speaks to the working class, down-to-earth, salt-of-the earth voters. My only concern, so far I haven's seen anything on how to replace him?
If Walz were to get the nod, the LG, who is an indigenous woman I believe, would step in. She would be the first female governor of MN (which is kind of surprising, it being such a progressive state for the most part.)
I watched a bunch of the videos TikTok users posted about Mr. Walz and I gotta say, he looks like the real deal.
I also noticed that when the LG steps up to be Governor, HER LG will be the President of the MN Senate who is a black man. So Minnesota would have its first woman governor, first indigenous governor, and first black lieutenant governor in one fell swoop. And Governor Walz was recently reelected so the new governor will have plenty of time to prove her mettle before running for reelection.
I don’t see how there’s any downside for VPOTUS Harris for choosing him.
I like Walz first and then Kelly. I recently read that Shapiro wrote a paper as a younger man that said disparaging things about Palestinians, and as heated and divisive as things are today, we definitely don’t need to bring in that tension. If it’s true about that paper, he’s a hard no right now. I don’t know enough about Beshear but have heard good things. And Pete - I love him and he’s probably one of the more qualified, but this damn country has too many people who are freaked out about the concept of letting folks love who they love and let them live in peace. I think we’re going to have a hard enough time with the racism and misogyny, so adding chum for the homophobes seems a bit untenable right now. I’d love to be wrong, but I’ve been around for nearly 70 years and I know this country. All I know is we need to sweep this country blue and start cleaning out all that MAGA stench, so I’m for the best way to make that happen.
As a 70-ish gay man, I agree, unfortunately. I think there are still so many (mostly) white male independents who may just not vote or vote for the criminal that I feel Pete should do a term or two as Sec of State then a presidential run. We are going to need every single vote to keep that vermin out of the White House.
Maybe after we finally get a woman president, we can be advanced enough (🙄) for someone from the LGBTQ community. I suspect that’s an easier concept than an atheist for this podunk country.
The college paper Shapiro wrote expressed his doubts that peace in the Middle East could ever be achieved. Having said that, I personally know Kentucky Governor Beshear's record better than all the other candidates. Too bad Governor Cooper declined the nomination. A balanced ticket needs someone from the South.
Pete is my 1st choice. He would make a great running mate and after 8 years of Kamala, would be a great successor as President! Articulate and smart..moderate but accomplished..a doer not just a talker!
Mine, too. But not yet. I think he would turn off the undecided white male voters. (Ditto re Shapiro -- Jewish First Husband and Jewish VP. Too much at this point in time. Plus: I don't like Shapiro. :-) ) I go for Walz. Kelly is my #2, given our current situation.
I think Shapiro is the most controversial of the five, and I don't want her to make an unforced error/own goal this early in the race. ("Early" being relative in this unusual case.)
I like your ranking. I started out for Kelly and Andy Beshear but then learned about Walz's National Guard experiance and like his talk. Kelly may bring some independent baggage as well as a drag on the Senate. What I like about both Kelly and Walz is their familiarity with the Military during what is proving to be trying times.
Andy Beshear doesn’t get enough credit. He has been a two time elected governor in a very traditional red state with a strong MAGA contingent. He is a very good communicator who is very adept at pointing out the ineptness of Trump (vonshitshispants) and Vance (Shady Vance) without being offensive. Smart, understands the rural MAGA base and has demonstrated he can be a uniter even with Republicans. Very personable and a humble but assertive leader.
I agree. I live in Kentucky and Beshear has been an amazing governor. A democrat elected and re-elected in a deep red state. He is also smart, compassionate, and kind, and squeaky clean.
I want Andy. He shows that Democrats can succeed in a red state that Democrats can be church deacons and he’s a great counterpart for her. I can’t say enough how wrong Shapiro would be; google the Greenberg case where he has covered up the murder of a beloved school teacher, because of some connection to the family of the possible Murderer. It’s a huge scandal.
Originally I thought Kelly was best. Now I’m leaning toward Waltz. Midwest style, values and plain talk are a great counterpoint to Harris. The more I see him speak, the better I like him.
Walz looks like old school, but it’s Shapiro for us…young guy who could rescue and bridge repair in such a short time gets our vote,, I-95 is like the pacific road system that spans over the 405 and I-5 stack. Or the bridge collapse in San Fran in the 80’s, lived in CA and 6 lanes each on both sides of traffic on the 405 was still bumper to bumper from Newport Beach for work and what should have been a max 20 minute commute to LA was a nightmare to get anywhere without accident upon accidents bumper to bumper all lanes! lefty at 6 A.M and got to work in Beverley Hills / took as much as four hours only to turn around at 1 to avoid traffic and still too four hours! Shapiro fixed a bridge of commerce in astonishingly period of weeks!
Butegeg, Shapiro and then Kelly. My heart is with the first but my money is on the third. Kelly has a military background and won’t try to outshine Kamala, and a unique perspective, having viewed earth from space. He supported his wife during her recovery (a little more serious than an ear graze). He is affable and smart. But, what do I know.
Mark Kelly for all these reasons! Serious and solid. Imagine comparing Mark Kelly and J. D. Vance. For that matter any of these picks.. my second pick would be Walz.
No, Mark Kelly is an astronaut, married to Gabby, shot in face be gunman…a very conservative Arizonan, I know, I live in Az and He is A great Senator but not President as he is needed in Arizona as a Senator! Shapiro is flexible, repaired I- 95 Bridge collapsed in eleven days..earning our support !🇺🇸💙🌵💯👩🏻😎👩🏽🚀👍🏼
The phrase “embarrassment of riches” comes to mind. Sec’y Pete is my choice. Then Gov. Walz- “weird”- thank you, sir! Though, as someone noted above, all of them have been and will continue to be great spokesmen for PRESIDENT Harris’ campaign. 🇺🇸 VOTE!!
Do VP candidates actually bring in votes from their home states? I think we are assuming that with PA.
I think Shapiro has too much baggage, the Gaza crisis makes this a bit more complicated. I think Kamala may eventually have to cut off supplies of military hardware to Israel. The younger voters are still pretty pissed at the current administration’s approach. Not sure if Shapiro’s pro Zionist stance will balance Harris or harm her.
As much as I love Pete’s personality, I think homophobia will win here, which is frustrating but people still don’t have exposure to this issue, ignorance is still widespread (don’t get me started on transphobia, as a mom to a trans kid I am well aware how a majority of the community doesn’t get it).
The misogyny of the country is coming to a boil, hopefully women and their allies will finally stop this attack on our autonomy.
1) He's definitely a moderate and a responsible gun owner to refute the "they're coming for your guns" group. Plus you get Gabby Giffords, who is an amazing recovery triumph herself.
2) He has a wicked sense of humor, is a veteran AND a Space Man to boot.
3) AZ Gov Katie Hobbs (D) can appoint his successor, and two on the list for that are Tucson Mayor Regina Romero (Latina) and Governor of the Gila River Tribe Stephen Roe Lewis (Native).
The negative to Shapiro is: being a Jewish man, will his candidacy further alienate the large contingent of voters angry about the Gaza war? We need every vote we can get to ensure a massive blue tsunami and put any questions about the results out of reach. I like him, I think he's definitely a good candidate but at this time with these circumstances, we have to look at that big chunk of voters not participating.
I wonder how big a chunk of voters are really that adamant about the Gaza war? I really want an end to it and to the suffering of Palestinians, but also want safety for Israelis. I wish they could oust Netanyahu because I think he is the greatest obstacle to peace there.
The Middle East is very complex, and I don't feel I have enough expertise to be definitive.
But I do think that labeling Biden as " genocide Joe" is grossly unfair.
I agree; they simplify the situation and lay all the blame on this administration. Part of our problem is we don't know exactly how large or how dedicated this group is or isn't, but we do know many of them are Millennials and younger. We can't afford to lose many votes - especially over a complicated situation we truly have very little control over due to a tyrant like Bibi Netanyahu and treaties negotiated decades ago.
In my opinion I believe amazing Buttigieg to be the most gifted of the candidates. I rather hope he waits until “next time.”
Secondly, for some reasons I’m thinking I favor Mark Kelly at this time….//.
1- Mark Edward Kelly …is an American politician, former astronaut, & US Navy Captain who has been the junior US senator from Arizona since 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, he was elected in the special election held following the death of Senator John McCain, defeating incumbent Republican Martha McSally…//.
2- Kelly the son of two retired police officers, flew combat missions during the Gulf War as a naval aviator before being selected as a NASA Space Shuttle pilot in 1996. He flew his first space mission in 2001 as pilot of STS-108, piloted STS-121 in 2006, and commanded STS-124 in 2008 and STS-134 in 2011, the final mission of Space Shuttle Endeavour….//. (Courage,strength and devotion to the US)…//.
3-AND THIS: Kelly's wife, then-Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot and nearly killed in an assassination attempt on January 8, 2011.[6][7] Six people died in the Tucson shooting…//.
After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting the following year, Giffords and Kelly founded the nonprofit AMERICANS. FOR RESPONSIBLE SOLUTIONS later renamed Giffords, which campaigns for gun control measures like universal background checks and red flag laws….//
4. There is more of course but this is all I will share. The rest can be Googled!…//.
During his Navy career, Kelly received two Defense Superior Service Medals; one Legion of Merit; two Distinguished Flying Crosses; four Air Medals (two individual/two strike flight) with Combat "V"; two Navy Commendation Medals, (one with combat "V"); one Navy Achievement Medal; two Southwest Asia Service Medals; one Navy Expeditionary Medal; two Sea Service Deployment Ribbons; a NASA Distinguished Service Medal; and an Overseas Service Ribbon
I agree 100% that Kelly is the perfect choice. He’ll make OLD Bone Spurs head spin with ridiculous insults and attacks on his stellar background. That will not go well. Harris Kelly- great team.
So far, Mark Kelly, or Tim Walz. As a Jew, I’ll come out and say i don’t think we’re re ready for a Jewish VP, though I will, of course, support and vote for him if he’s on the ticket. And I assume it is Shapiro because the announcement is being made in Philadelphia.
We are not Jews either but what does that have to do with Inclusion And Equity, Don care to Thron him out for his birth rights, I’m married to an Indian and my children were taught that we all matter…besides, Shapiro is in a very large state with a great population🇺🇸💙🌵💯👩🏻🌏
I know what you’re saying, SheilaKay, about inclusion and diversity. And I fully agree with you. But this is a super important election for everybody and I feel the Dems have to put together a ticket that voters can vote FOR, with no reason to vote against.
There has never been a Jewish president or vice president because of the antisemitism that always has existed in this country. American antisemitism now has reached new heights not seen in years. The number of antisemitic incidents are at recent all time highs.
If we have a presidential candidate whose husband is a Jew and a Jewish vp candidate, you can bet your life on the fact that a miserable bigot like Trump will pull out all the familiar dog whistles starting with Harris and Shapiro are backed, supported , and even funded by an international cartel of bankers who control the world. etc.; he may even actually say Jews or for certain mention George Soros. It will be Father Coughlin on steroids.
Those age old powerful lies will resonate strongly with the millions of antisemites in this country. And they will vote against the “ nefarious Jewish conspiracy threatening America.” Sad but unfortunately true.
This all makes me so angry. How can someone as evil as Trump have so many supporters ? I know—they are looking for group identity based on hating “the other”. It is sick and simple-minded. I feel sorry for dyed-in-the-wool Republicans voters who feel they have no home, but don’t realize that their old values will be trampled by Trump and Project 2025. A dear friend from my childhood is a Republican, husband spent his life moving around the world with the military. She is far from stupid, but Trump says he values what she values. In reality he values nothing, particularly her family’s sacrifices to serve around the world.
But to the topic at hand, I studied Russia and Poland all my life. I know the origin of the banker tropes. Of course it was the Christian’s who couldn’t ruin their chances of going to heaven by handling money—so someone else got to do it. It is that sort of thinking and the idea of the Rapture which will only take certain people to heaven that make one wonder about organized religion. Often it is a great thing, but it is also the basis for being rather distant from God or Christ. I try so hard not to listen to abstracted concepts about groups of people. I grew up on Ling Island. My class in high school was split between Jews and Catholics. I was baptized in a Protestant church, and was therefore an outlier.
People seem so keen not to take personal responsibility for things, and must find others to blame. Did you see the mother they had at the RNC? Her son had taken illegal drugs that were laced with fentanyl and he died. That is a real tragedy. But she said that it was not her fault at all, it was Joe Biden and his border policy. What parent shifts responsibility so completely? No doubts? No questions? I think I would be second-guessing all my decisions and actions for the rest of my life. Sorry for the blather. What you say about the VP and Harris’ husband is probably true, but no less distressing for that.
I’m hoping it’s Mark Kelly. I think he is centrist enough to pull
In swing voters and his experience from a border state will be helpful.
He’s a veteran which helps solidify his appeal, beyond the coolness factor of astronaut.
I know it puts the Senate balance at risk but there’s a couple of years to sort that out.
I really like Waltz as I’m originally from Minnesota but I’m hoping that some of the success there runs off on my adopted state next door. We need to fix Wisconsin politics. Maybe feeding kids would be a start.
Also glad we have moved on from attacking anyone who wanted Biden to step down. I felt like a Cassandra for a bit there. Kamala is doing even better than I thought and Biden should be proud of his accomplishments.
As a Minnesotan, I am definitely biased toward Gov Walz. He has fabulous people skills and is a wonderful communicator. He has done great work governing MN both for the people and business. Lt Governor, Flanagan, is an Indigenous person who Walz has gladly partnered with. He is an excellent public servant leader. If chosen, MN will miss him but he leaves an enduring legacy.
Let me just say that whomever she picks will become the VP nominee I support, no question about it!!
That being said, they all have great qualities and bring a lot to the table, but I'm a Hoosier and therefore would LOVE to see Pete Buttigieg (42), just not sure the country is ready, sadly, for that "ticket" yet. So moving on to Walz & Kelly, both are 60 and Kamala Harris will be 60 by election day. She keeps getting referred to as "someone younger" and she's definitely younger than Biden but still, and I say this cuz I'm 77, while 60 seems "young" to me, it doesn't necessarily seem "younger" to Gen Z and Millennials, who happen to be the ages of my 5 grandchildren. Sharpiro (51) and Beshear (46) both bring a more youthful appeal. Now I realize, that's just looking at it from an age stand point and obviously there are other factors to consider. As I said at the start, I will support wholeheartedly whomever she feels is the right candidate!! 💙💙
I was thinking Shapiro would be a good choice but have since ran into some of his policies, school vouchers for one, that I don't agree with at all. Kelly seemed a good choice but his stance is a little to right for me on several issues. And then there came Walz and I love what I'm seeing; humor, intelligence, and a real commitment to working Americans. There truly is a wealth of riches from which Kamala can choose, but I think Walz would be a breath of fresh air!
It's good to have a "deep bench" and many articulate "surrogates" who stand for the same principles and come in all sizes, shapes and colors. Kamala can't mKe a bad choice ... and the "unchosen" will campaign strongly for the ticket. It's been a long wait.
I'm really pulling for Mark Kelly, even though it's a swing state with fewer EVs than Pennsylvania. Kelly is very solid on the issues, has that astronaut hero aura, and is uniquely qualified to speak on the issue of the GQP's insane policy toward firearms due to who his wife happens to be.
Kelly is the safest choice, although not as gifted an orator as some of the others. I like Shapiro but his selection could result in unnecessary drama in the Party over Gaza. I’d probably prefer Walz and Beshear over Kelly as campaigners. I don’t think she can go wrong (like Trump with Vance). She’s right to stretch the process out as long as possible both for vetting purposes and to keep Trump out of the news cycle.
I like Kelly too. I like him a lot. But I worry about the stress and strain on his wife that would be involved in moving to the VP’s house, and appearing at all these functions. She’s a hero to me.
If she can survive what she has been through I think she'd be okay. She's a pro. Besides, she doesn.t have to go everywhere he goes, does she? They will have a lot of help doing this for them as have the others moving them as well.
I believe that VP Harris will prevail. She will be our next president. And she'll be a good solid president and a great representative for this nation.
Who do I think she should pick for VP? This may sound odd, but she should pay particular attention to how youthful her VP pick should be. The two that spring to mind are Shapiro and Buttigieg. Of the two I think Shapiro would be her pick. As good as he is I don't think this is Buttigieg's time.
Now, to stir the pot a bit, I also think Sen. Kelly would be an outstanding VP pick. He's a very strong personality and he's energetic. He would pass the youthful beauty contest. He's also a 2nd amendment supporter in favor of reasonable gun restrictions. And being a senator on a border state, he knows probably better than most what problems border security poses and what solutions we should adopt.
Exactly; THE BORDER ISSUE is his to own. HE LIVES THERE! It’s been said Trump was holding out for this “fix” to be his. No one knows better the terrain, the possibilities of adding a checkpoint to stem the tide in AZ. Migrants, many will be good citizens in time. They take jobs many current citizens feel are beneath them. What a crock of entitled BS but there is truth in that view! Migrants support our economy with reasonable expectations and delight in leaving chaos in their countries of origin. They deserve a chance to improve this one.
I dunno, other than she should pick someone who compounds good chemistry in the campaign and governance as she has for Biden. As for Walz, I am living in Minnesota and deliberately voted for him for governor because he sounded like someone who could cross over and nab the Trump-inclined voters. I live in the rural landscape of ominous Trump flags. He needed more than progressives to win and he did. I think he has been an excellent governor. I would not have thought he would have attracted VP attention which just shows you how much I know about this! But in addition to a non-elite background, he served in the national guard. He chose an Anishnaabe running mate, Peggy Flanagan, who has been a high profile LG. They have done well by this state. (I did not know until I read some of the comments that he has trended with the young voters!)
Walz and Shapiro. Electoral Count is important. Also think how each state selects Governor to replace B. W. Or S. i
It is vitally important going past Nov 5. If a Lt. Gov is a republican, it may not help that state in certifying the states electoral count come January 6th. Each state has a different format when an elected Governor steps down to run at the National level. Harris doesn’t have a lot of time. May she choose wisely for our future as well as the state her VP choice is from.
While winning is the most important motivation that is truly unknowable. All have electability baggage to second guess if it goes wrong. Best to revert to who would be the best partner in governing. Glad it's Harris's choice instead of ours.
It's fine to change your mind when new information is received and the situation is different. Only small-minded people think they shouldn't change their minds.
I choose Mark Kelly for the border, gun control, women’s rights but will be happy with anyone she selects. They have to work as a team and that requires a chemistry of sorts that the two will need to preview.
I would be happy with any of the choices, they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I will choose to focus on their strengths.
My heart wants Pete, but I fear losing him as Transportation Secretary where he has been so productive and trustworthy with the single largest pot of money. He is IMO the MOST qualified.
Shapiro has proven he can get shit done-recall the bridge collapse which was repaired in miraculous time? Yes he has baggage-let he who has no fault cast the first stone.
Walz, in my opinion, has the greatest appeal across social, economic and cultural divisions. He presents as a good, kind, honest, intelligent, fun, normal person. Who can’t relate to that? , (I’m sorry for you if you can’t)
Mark Kelly, another good person of high character with strong government ( Senate ) experience who will quickly find his bearings in the role.
Gov Beshear is a dark horse for me as I am much less familiar with him or his accomplishments. I honestly can’t cite any specifics beyond the obvious. Choosing a seasoned, experienced, well liked, progressive Governor from a culturally “southern” area dominated by Mitch McConnell’s backward policies could be a big boost towards creating bridges and building coalitions in an area that needs help growing the practice of Democracy.
The only thing I’m 100% confident in is any of them will be good picks and I absolutely will trust Our Future MADAM President’s choice! I’m with Kamala and she is with US, THE PEOPLE.
Honestly, I totally trust Kamala Harris to choose the running mate who feels right for her. Any of those you’ve named is certainly qualified. The only goal is to keep the malignant one from ever holding office again. I will vote the Democratic ticket.
All seem outstanding - truly a deep bench. An outstanding communicator and accomplished record is most important. So my ranked list is Shapiro, Walz, Bashear, Kelly and Buttiegig (the best communicator). Put all in cabinet except Kelly may be more valuable as a senator (beyond protecting that seat).
I like Shapiro, and he could bring the state of PA, but it seems he's a bit polarizing with his comments about Gaza. And I love Buttigieg because he's such an amazing communicator, but he doesn't bring a state. Andy Beshear is awesome but I doubt KY is in play. My money is on Tim Walz or Mark Kelly.
By the way, I do want to add: What matters most is the defeat of the malignant one. Full stop.
Yes, which is the only reason I place Walz at top and not Pete who is the best. But I’m a California progressive and don’t trust the general electorate to vote a gay dad in. Not this year.
Understand your concern.
Marilyn - agree; we like Pete - smart, speaks well but as you said and that is our loss. So, my choice Beshear or Walz
We have to trust the electorate. Pete walked away with the Iowa primary, and was a hairsbreadth away from the same in NH. Biden wasn’t even in it until SC. And I do wonder, with the possible exception of SC, how Pete would have fared elsewhere. He was so damn impressive in his local appearances. Warren was good, but very progressive, and not nearly as exciting. I think she is terrific, but no contest with Pete. He is knowledgeable about foreign affairs and wars from a combat perspective too. In ways that matter, I think he picks up the local and foreign in a way Kamala does not.
I think Kamala can win this. Trump is just on repeat, he is in so much trouble in the legal arena, and this Project 2025 issue should torpedo him. Say what he will, it is his minions running the show at the Heritage Foundation. We need to shout from the rooftops to be sure everyone knows about this.
I couldn’t agree with you more Alex. I have been saying this since before Biden left the race. Harris/Buttigieg are my dream tickets. The fact that Pete did that in 2020 running against Sanders! and Warren! at the tender age of 34 shows how much of a juggernaut he absolutely is. I think democrats are overthinking the gay issue since ALL homophones will always find a reason not to vote Democrat anyhow. A Harris/Buttigieg ticket would break the internet along with all time records amounts of money and real world engagement. The enthusiasm would be unbelievably immense. Oh so much wish for that to happen. I can Christian Nationalist heads explode! It would be sublime, for a Black woman and a married gay man to end their reign of bitterness and hatred. So epic it would be.
Amen!
A happy, hopeful future. I would be thrilled. And I think you are right about enthusiasm levels. All VP contenders have some baggage, but Pete’s sexuality has been known from the get go. It is not a deep dark secret. And I really think those in red states particularly who would not vote for him for that reason are not voting for a Harris ticket anyway. Here’s to a glorious, tolerant future!
I loved this comment. The word you were looking for was "homophobes." I agree with both the other commentors.
I wish they could all be a revolving VP because they each bring uniqueness, capabilities, and experience. I am in love with Pete because he is military war veteran and speaks something like 6 different languages. The only thing is that he will not convince those swing states to vote for him because he’s gay and it’s a damn shame. He’s so bright, quick-witted, and has government experience now. He’s 42 years old, the youngest of the group. I think he will and people will, be ready for him in 2032. Walz is clever and sharp-tongued as hell! He is the same age as Kamala and also very forward thinking. Has made great strides in his state with childcare, staunch advocate for women, stopped the banning of books in his state. Beshear has been the absolute best governor for KY! He’s young (46) and my opinion is that he should stay as governor. They need him badly. Then Shapiro…gawwwd love him! He too, is young (51) and has completely given PA what it needs as a governor. He does not have a lot of government experience but he has a wonderful way of connecting with all people. The fact that PA overwhelmingly elected a Jewish man as governor is unprecedented.
I am leaning toward Walz.
I’m curious about your opinion on Pete not being able to sway swing states bc he is gay. If that was such a huge impediment then how do you explain his success in 2020 in places predominantly conservative like Iowa and NH? He went toe to toe with such darlings like Sanders and Warren. With that being said, I strongly feel that this notion of him as a gay man alienating people is extremely outdated and overblown. His 2020 performances IMO clearly demonstrates that.
Perhaps it is time to stop saying that it won’t happen, and hope that it will. I think Pete’s measured, enthusiastic and informed responses to questions are ultimately better than Walz zingers (though those are fun). I don’t know what kind of enthusiasm Kelly can generate, though he is a national hero and worthy of our gratitude and support. I can’t help feeling Josh Shapiro is trying awfully hard—perhaps too hard? And he doesn’t have as much governing experience or campaigning credentials as the much younger Pete.
And here in Indiana where it doesn't get any redder
I didn’t even think about that one! But you’re absolutely correct, he was a mayor for 8 years I believe, as a young gay man in a very red state. You know, JFK, he was a Catholic and people wouldn’t elect him. Bill Clinton was young, admitted to having smoked weed, avoided the draft, and the reactionary religious right saw him as the devil. Ofc, Barack Hussein Obama, who not only had an incredible easy to target name, but was also a Black man of mixed race. Finally HRC, who even though didn’t pull the electoral college win, was a woman who had been the target of the reactionary right since the 1990’s. All these people have in common the “people won’t vote for someone who is _______” factor and yet ALL of them won the popular vote in their respective elections bc they were great candidates. Pete Buttigieg is a remarkable candidate, married with children gay man and all. He is absolutely amazing and brilliant. He is the best choice for VP in 2023. Harris/Buttigieg 2024 all day long!
Doesn’t the fact that they’re announcing the pick in Philly tells us that they’re picking Shapiro? I mean, you wouldn’t go to his backyard and choose somebody else, would you?
I fear that. But Shapiro had an easy run against Mastriano, and hasn’t been in office long. Also, that bridge was fixed with federal government assistance (Pete).
It's close to both D.C. and Delaware - logical place to start a swing state tour
Not necessarily. The Philly rally was scheduled weeks ago.
My preference is for Pete. He has been doing an awful lot of national television shows for someone who's a transportation secretary. And he's been everywhere on the internet, speaking in his calm manner, with just the right questions and answers. Personally I think he's the most talented but they are all good, And no matter who you're going to win because we are going to make sure we win. I feel it. Just like I feel that Joe Biden could have done it as well.
I love Pete, and,hopefully,one day not in the too distant future, he can run for President!
I’ve thought about that too. I wonder with the population that is willing to vote in a black/asian woman would frown on a gay father. In my personal experience most people who love one love the other. I could be very wrong. Wishful thinking?
Yeah, because the best way to bring a gay man into politics is NOT to vote for him. Holy shit, Pete is the best thing out there and he did amazingly well in 2020 for a guy from South Bend. Democrats will not hesitate to vote the ticket because Pete's gay.
It's the undecided white male voters we must consider. Some will accept Harris. Most will NOT accept Buttigieg.
Good point.
How would you know?
Maybe not so much frown on but humans by nature resist change. A ticket with a mixed race woman and a gay man or a Jewish man is a massive change in status quo and would be a bridge too hard to cross for many. There is a level of comfort to be had in a the known quantity of a straight white christian male. Terribly sad and unfair but true in my experience of living in a very conservative state and even more conservative rural county. The fear of unknown and change is real. I think Walz or Brashear would provide a good balancing factor.
The overall point is there is not wiggle room to lose any gettable voter be it a young voter, a middle of the roader, a fence sitter, a Republican who is feeling the ick to trump. Sometimes we lead with reality rather than heart.
I'm with you I don't think it's wishful thinking. I think the only people who actually care about any of those things, are never going to change anything about their vote or their attitude. I think now is the time and Pete's the right choice.
Oh please.
Removed the comment.
Thank you. Those links probably weren't safe.
Shapiro’s position on vouchers disqualifies him for me. Walz has experience in the Congress and as an executive. Love Pete but US is not ready YET. Not a good idea to force a special election in Arizona. If Lake loses she will just run again.
Shapiro's view on vouchers did not match his actions--he line-item vetoed additional funding for vouchers in this year's budget. Just sayin'--sometimes politicians run along a thin edge, especially in a purple state. There is no path to an EC win without PA--none.
Not sure he has sufficient value re Pennsylvania EC votes.
I agree on the vouchers thing. Big negative for me. They suck money out of GOOD public schooling to support religious schools - nah, bro! I'm also concerned about his extreme support for Israel/Netanyahu.
My 40 yr-old daughter insists Shapiro would be a disaster with the 40 and under crowd because of his support for Israel/Netanyahu.
I agree on this one. I am Jewish, but a kippah wearing conservative Jew would only bring out the haters. Sad situation. Maybe another time.
I am a Mark Kelly advocate but I’ve heard pundits say he lacks charisma. Hmmm. I think he checks the boxes of what “weaknesses” she has. The Democratic gov of Az can appoint his replacement.
Yes I forgot about the border. He would shore her up on the border. So to speak. 😀
By that criterion, Kelly should be the pick.
In terms of ranking:
~Pete is the best, but sadly, I don't feel that the country is ready to choose quality & qualifications over his harmless and admirable personal life. (I can hear the awful "jokes" coming from the right wing-nuts, already: A "X" and a "Y" walk into a bar...")
~Shapiro might bring PA into the electoral fold, but might the situation in Israel color voters' opinions? Also, he yells too much!
~Kelly has a compelling story, a wonderful wife with a compelling story, is moderate, and might bring AZ along, electorally, but is he dynamic enough?
~the other two are not as well known, IMHO, and may not have the electoral appeal of the three, above.
In the end, all are terrific, but the choice is VP Harris's to make, and whomever she selects, it will be a wise and a winning decision. All of these men, and others who have been mentioned such as "Big Gretch" will be amazing additions to Harris's cabinet once she wins in November!
Your fearmongering about a gay politician is not welcome to me, as the mother of a gay woman. Pete did not suffer in 2020 because he's gay and it's damn time we stop using this excuse because we're so afraid of the GOP.
It was not fearmongering--it was simply acknowledging a problem so many sick homophobes express. He would be my choice for VP, any and every day of the week--wicked smart, great experience and life story, accomplished. Sadly, this election is so critical that we can not risk losing any votes for stupid reasons like sexual preference, religious affiliation, or other purely superficial reasons.
The effect is fear mongering. We need to stop being so goddamned scared of Trump and do the right thing, not decide a man's career based on his sexuality. That's just not who we should be. And I don't think that is who we are. Voting for a woman of color is OK, but voting for a gay man is not? Really?
With total respect, I beg to differ, but that still is our right, yes? I LOVE Pete (as my [straight] son says, Pete is "Smart as fuck!"), and I feel he is the best qualified for VP. But IMHO, if there is ANY risk that the stupid, misguided homophobes out there might doom the chances of a Harris win, that risk should not be taken. Too much is at stake.
It's an impossible choice: Saving democracy from a raving moron vs standing up for a talented man (Pete) and a moral principle.
I think Pete would be great. I don't think many of the voters you're worried about are even going to look at the VP pick when they see the head of the ticket. I really believe it is entirely up to Ms. Harris to decide who she could best work with. If she can work with them, I think Pete, Kelly, and Walsh all offer top-flight credentials.
Amen
Gov Shapiro because PA brings 19 or 20 Electoral votes (have seen both figures for PA), versus 10 from Minnesota or 11 from Arizona. Each of these men brings considerable talent to the position, but it’s about Electoral votes. The former president (Trump!) is an existential threat to our Democracy!!! That should bear considerable weight; it’s not really a likability matter. Thanks.
If you lived in PA would you want to lose Shapiro? He hasn't been governor very long.
SHAPIRO FEEL SLEAZY TO ME. Too much baggage: wants private school vouchers; covered up sex scandal in his office; too pro-Israel, given the number of Democrats who are concerned about Palestinians in Gaza; pro-fracking. Dislike his overbearing personality.
TIM WALZ: beloved public school teacher; wants public universities in Minnesota to be tuition free; free school lunches (duh). Great personality. Will attract undecided white males. I am a WALZNUT!
Kamala needs no problems in this selection! Turning it over to Eric Holder and C&B team was very smart! Kamala has many other issues on her plate. She is boiling it down with close staff, and Doug, this weekend. Her final decision will be a wise, thoughtful one. Stay tuned!
Was for Kelly but not as articulate as others. Was for Shapiro but may be too anxious,
IsraelI issues and protest problems. Like Pritzker business background and politics. Like Walz straight forward, honest, and very sensible statements this week. Kamala has wonderful choices, but she is a FAB choice herself!! Forward with a smile!
I agree with you! I live in PA & Shapiro has been a good governor. I totally disagree with him on school vouchers & on the Hamas-Israel war.
I believe that Walz is a good pick!
Yes, Shapiro's hawkishness puts me off vis-a-vis Gaza. But even more so, young people in particular cannot trust him because of his positions in that area.
I think that the youth vote will be critical in this election. Hoping and praying that Harris realizes this huge draw-back to selecting him.
All excellent points about Walz. I’m below the Mason-Dixon Line, so I’ve just become familiar with him. But I really like him - probably for all the positive qualities you mentioned (I’m an old school person, too).
I’ve heard a lot about Shapiro, but he does come across as a bit “slick” to me. I know nothing about any scandals, etc, and all I’ve heard has been positive about him …… UNTIL I heard he supports school vouchers.
That all but disqualifies him as someone I’d feel 100% about. But I know that the public school situation is different in major metropolitan areas than it is in Appalachia. So, I’m open to hearing his arguments in favor of them before I blackball him.
And no matter who Harris’s running mate is, I know he will be better than the JV candidate. Walz does hit a lot of positive notes for me, though.
I've seen several people comment that Shapiro's support of school vouchers is "disqualifying " for him as a VP pick. He likely would have no say at all in that program if the ticket were elected. Shouldn't voters consider the full resume, voting record, and emotional intelligence when choosing an elected official?
Thanks, Joan! I agree with you. I am not a fan of school vouchers, but the President sets policy, not the VP. Governors have more executive experience than Senators, which weakens Kelly for me, though I like him. Kelly is not an inspiring speaker. Which I think we need to keep momentum.
I like both Walz and Shapiro, though I would like to know more about all the candidates.
Agreed - plus he was basically a nobody and caught on FAST. People just like him and feel comfy with him.
I feel like Walz is a special option. Have only seen him a couple of times but he seems so down to earth and accessible and certainly lacking in the kind of self-centeredness we see too often in politicians. I like the folksiness. But really am not able to predict and trust Kamala to know what will work best for the country as a whole as well as her own agenda.
I fear some of this will come up and bite him in a campaign whether true or not.
Although I've thought that having the First Gentleman being Jewish would help a lot with that vote. Your thoughts?
I like him, too.
I think Walz would be the best - he’s tested, he’s articulate but doesn’t sound like a typical elite, he’s funny, and there’s a folksy “I’m comfortable in my skin” vibe to him. Plus he has the youngsters on TikTok all fired up - a sort of midwestern style Bernie Sanders effect - which will probably help with the millennial vote. I think a Harris/Walz ticket is a good balance of sharp west coast savvy intellect and easygoing Midwest common sense good hearted smarts.
That said, I’m all in for whomever she selects!
Agreed, Walz really speaks to the working class, down-to-earth, salt-of-the earth voters. My only concern, so far I haven's seen anything on how to replace him?
If Walz were to get the nod, the LG, who is an indigenous woman I believe, would step in. She would be the first female governor of MN (which is kind of surprising, it being such a progressive state for the most part.)
Wonderful! You are the first person to clarify this for me. Thank you Sunny!
I watched a bunch of the videos TikTok users posted about Mr. Walz and I gotta say, he looks like the real deal.
I also noticed that when the LG steps up to be Governor, HER LG will be the President of the MN Senate who is a black man. So Minnesota would have its first woman governor, first indigenous governor, and first black lieutenant governor in one fell swoop. And Governor Walz was recently reelected so the new governor will have plenty of time to prove her mettle before running for reelection.
I don’t see how there’s any downside for VPOTUS Harris for choosing him.
That's amazing! I really need to get on TikTok, ha ha!! Thanks again Sunny!
Well articulated, Sunny!
I like Walz first and then Kelly. I recently read that Shapiro wrote a paper as a younger man that said disparaging things about Palestinians, and as heated and divisive as things are today, we definitely don’t need to bring in that tension. If it’s true about that paper, he’s a hard no right now. I don’t know enough about Beshear but have heard good things. And Pete - I love him and he’s probably one of the more qualified, but this damn country has too many people who are freaked out about the concept of letting folks love who they love and let them live in peace. I think we’re going to have a hard enough time with the racism and misogyny, so adding chum for the homophobes seems a bit untenable right now. I’d love to be wrong, but I’ve been around for nearly 70 years and I know this country. All I know is we need to sweep this country blue and start cleaning out all that MAGA stench, so I’m for the best way to make that happen.
Pete for Sec of State
As another one approaching 70.. I could not say it better.
Same here.
As a 70-ish gay man, I agree, unfortunately. I think there are still so many (mostly) white male independents who may just not vote or vote for the criminal that I feel Pete should do a term or two as Sec of State then a presidential run. We are going to need every single vote to keep that vermin out of the White House.
Maybe after we finally get a woman president, we can be advanced enough (🙄) for someone from the LGBTQ community. I suspect that’s an easier concept than an atheist for this podunk country.
Add atheist to my disqualifications for anything in this country! ;)
The college paper Shapiro wrote expressed his doubts that peace in the Middle East could ever be achieved. Having said that, I personally know Kentucky Governor Beshear's record better than all the other candidates. Too bad Governor Cooper declined the nomination. A balanced ticket needs someone from the South.
I like Wes Moore as well as Pete.
Pete is my 1st choice. He would make a great running mate and after 8 years of Kamala, would be a great successor as President! Articulate and smart..moderate but accomplished..a doer not just a talker!
Mine, too. But not yet. I think he would turn off the undecided white male voters. (Ditto re Shapiro -- Jewish First Husband and Jewish VP. Too much at this point in time. Plus: I don't like Shapiro. :-) ) I go for Walz. Kelly is my #2, given our current situation.
My picks:
1. Walz
2. Beshear
3. Kelly, Buttiegig (tie)
4. Shapiro
I think Shapiro is the most controversial of the five, and I don't want her to make an unforced error/own goal this early in the race. ("Early" being relative in this unusual case.)
Yes, this order exactly. I was leaning towards Shapiro but his Israeli position and attitude are losing qualities.
I agree completely with you on this!
I like your ranking. I started out for Kelly and Andy Beshear but then learned about Walz's National Guard experiance and like his talk. Kelly may bring some independent baggage as well as a drag on the Senate. What I like about both Kelly and Walz is their familiarity with the Military during what is proving to be trying times.
Same
Tim Walz! What's not to like? :-)
Andy Beshear doesn’t get enough credit. He has been a two time elected governor in a very traditional red state with a strong MAGA contingent. He is a very good communicator who is very adept at pointing out the ineptness of Trump (vonshitshispants) and Vance (Shady Vance) without being offensive. Smart, understands the rural MAGA base and has demonstrated he can be a uniter even with Republicans. Very personable and a humble but assertive leader.
I agree. I live in Kentucky and Beshear has been an amazing governor. A democrat elected and re-elected in a deep red state. He is also smart, compassionate, and kind, and squeaky clean.
I want Andy. He shows that Democrats can succeed in a red state that Democrats can be church deacons and he’s a great counterpart for her. I can’t say enough how wrong Shapiro would be; google the Greenberg case where he has covered up the murder of a beloved school teacher, because of some connection to the family of the possible Murderer. It’s a huge scandal.
That said, I want her to pick the running-mate who's most likely to net her the most Electoral College votes.
Love the idea of a Harris Waltz ticket. Hoping it creates a dance craze called the Harris Waltz lol
(Walz) Love it!! I like the term "Walznuts", as well. :-)
Originally I thought Kelly was best. Now I’m leaning toward Waltz. Midwest style, values and plain talk are a great counterpoint to Harris. The more I see him speak, the better I like him.
Walz looks like old school, but it’s Shapiro for us…young guy who could rescue and bridge repair in such a short time gets our vote,, I-95 is like the pacific road system that spans over the 405 and I-5 stack. Or the bridge collapse in San Fran in the 80’s, lived in CA and 6 lanes each on both sides of traffic on the 405 was still bumper to bumper from Newport Beach for work and what should have been a max 20 minute commute to LA was a nightmare to get anywhere without accident upon accidents bumper to bumper all lanes! lefty at 6 A.M and got to work in Beverley Hills / took as much as four hours only to turn around at 1 to avoid traffic and still too four hours! Shapiro fixed a bridge of commerce in astonishingly period of weeks!
I agree. It should be Shapiro. Excellent legislative background, and in 8 years he’ll be only 59 and could run for president.
Tim Walz
Tim Walz is a perfect compliment. He feels as comfortable to an old school Democrat as Harry Truman !
The only really important thing is beating Trump. But my preference (even as an Arizonan who likes Mark Kelly) is Tim Walz.
Any of the above, but for me Waltz or Kelly work best.
Ditto (Walz)
Agree, both are the best options for winning this election. I wish we lived in a world where we didn't have to think like this.
I think electoral and demographic considerations have nearly always been a consideration.
Agree. Specifically for me, I love Pete and Gretchen, but a woman/woman ticket or a woman/gay ticket aren’t options and that bums me out.
Exactly my two choices -- but not in the current environment. Someday?
I’d love for it to be Gretchen. But I don’t see it happening.
Walz is wonderful and very articulate when framing issues. Great contrast to Vance being a fake hillbilly and a vulture capitalist in reality.
"vulture capitalist"!
Butegeg, Shapiro and then Kelly. My heart is with the first but my money is on the third. Kelly has a military background and won’t try to outshine Kamala, and a unique perspective, having viewed earth from space. He supported his wife during her recovery (a little more serious than an ear graze). He is affable and smart. But, what do I know.
Mark Kelly for all these reasons! Serious and solid. Imagine comparing Mark Kelly and J. D. Vance. For that matter any of these picks.. my second pick would be Walz.
No, Mark Kelly is an astronaut, married to Gabby, shot in face be gunman…a very conservative Arizonan, I know, I live in Az and He is A great Senator but not President as he is needed in Arizona as a Senator! Shapiro is flexible, repaired I- 95 Bridge collapsed in eleven days..earning our support !🇺🇸💙🌵💯👩🏻😎👩🏽🚀👍🏼
The phrase “embarrassment of riches” comes to mind. Sec’y Pete is my choice. Then Gov. Walz- “weird”- thank you, sir! Though, as someone noted above, all of them have been and will continue to be great spokesmen for PRESIDENT Harris’ campaign. 🇺🇸 VOTE!!
Do VP candidates actually bring in votes from their home states? I think we are assuming that with PA.
I think Shapiro has too much baggage, the Gaza crisis makes this a bit more complicated. I think Kamala may eventually have to cut off supplies of military hardware to Israel. The younger voters are still pretty pissed at the current administration’s approach. Not sure if Shapiro’s pro Zionist stance will balance Harris or harm her.
As much as I love Pete’s personality, I think homophobia will win here, which is frustrating but people still don’t have exposure to this issue, ignorance is still widespread (don’t get me started on transphobia, as a mom to a trans kid I am well aware how a majority of the community doesn’t get it).
The misogyny of the country is coming to a boil, hopefully women and their allies will finally stop this attack on our autonomy.
I prefer Kelly over either of them, but i can't resist "I'm doing the Harris Walz!" as a slogan.
Mark Kelly:
1) He's definitely a moderate and a responsible gun owner to refute the "they're coming for your guns" group. Plus you get Gabby Giffords, who is an amazing recovery triumph herself.
2) He has a wicked sense of humor, is a veteran AND a Space Man to boot.
3) AZ Gov Katie Hobbs (D) can appoint his successor, and two on the list for that are Tucson Mayor Regina Romero (Latina) and Governor of the Gila River Tribe Stephen Roe Lewis (Native).
The negative to Shapiro is: being a Jewish man, will his candidacy further alienate the large contingent of voters angry about the Gaza war? We need every vote we can get to ensure a massive blue tsunami and put any questions about the results out of reach. I like him, I think he's definitely a good candidate but at this time with these circumstances, we have to look at that big chunk of voters not participating.
I wonder how big a chunk of voters are really that adamant about the Gaza war? I really want an end to it and to the suffering of Palestinians, but also want safety for Israelis. I wish they could oust Netanyahu because I think he is the greatest obstacle to peace there.
The Middle East is very complex, and I don't feel I have enough expertise to be definitive.
But I do think that labeling Biden as " genocide Joe" is grossly unfair.
I agree; they simplify the situation and lay all the blame on this administration. Part of our problem is we don't know exactly how large or how dedicated this group is or isn't, but we do know many of them are Millennials and younger. We can't afford to lose many votes - especially over a complicated situation we truly have very little control over due to a tyrant like Bibi Netanyahu and treaties negotiated decades ago.
Secondly Steven;
In my opinion I believe amazing Buttigieg to be the most gifted of the candidates. I rather hope he waits until “next time.”
Secondly, for some reasons I’m thinking I favor Mark Kelly at this time….//.
1- Mark Edward Kelly …is an American politician, former astronaut, & US Navy Captain who has been the junior US senator from Arizona since 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, he was elected in the special election held following the death of Senator John McCain, defeating incumbent Republican Martha McSally…//.
2- Kelly the son of two retired police officers, flew combat missions during the Gulf War as a naval aviator before being selected as a NASA Space Shuttle pilot in 1996. He flew his first space mission in 2001 as pilot of STS-108, piloted STS-121 in 2006, and commanded STS-124 in 2008 and STS-134 in 2011, the final mission of Space Shuttle Endeavour….//. (Courage,strength and devotion to the US)…//.
3-AND THIS: Kelly's wife, then-Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot and nearly killed in an assassination attempt on January 8, 2011.[6][7] Six people died in the Tucson shooting…//.
After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting the following year, Giffords and Kelly founded the nonprofit AMERICANS. FOR RESPONSIBLE SOLUTIONS later renamed Giffords, which campaigns for gun control measures like universal background checks and red flag laws….//
4. There is more of course but this is all I will share. The rest can be Googled!…//.
During his Navy career, Kelly received two Defense Superior Service Medals; one Legion of Merit; two Distinguished Flying Crosses; four Air Medals (two individual/two strike flight) with Combat "V"; two Navy Commendation Medals, (one with combat "V"); one Navy Achievement Medal; two Southwest Asia Service Medals; one Navy Expeditionary Medal; two Sea Service Deployment Ribbons; a NASA Distinguished Service Medal; and an Overseas Service Ribbon
Thank you Steven, for inquiring
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I agree 100% that Kelly is the perfect choice. He’ll make OLD Bone Spurs head spin with ridiculous insults and attacks on his stellar background. That will not go well. Harris Kelly- great team.
That’s my pick in this moment in time!
So far, Mark Kelly, or Tim Walz. As a Jew, I’ll come out and say i don’t think we’re re ready for a Jewish VP, though I will, of course, support and vote for him if he’s on the ticket. And I assume it is Shapiro because the announcement is being made in Philadelphia.
The city fits with the theme of ‘freedom.’ Philadelphia is also the home of the Liberty Bell and where the Constitution was written. So we’ll see.
We are not Jews either but what does that have to do with Inclusion And Equity, Don care to Thron him out for his birth rights, I’m married to an Indian and my children were taught that we all matter…besides, Shapiro is in a very large state with a great population🇺🇸💙🌵💯👩🏻🌏
I know what you’re saying, SheilaKay, about inclusion and diversity. And I fully agree with you. But this is a super important election for everybody and I feel the Dems have to put together a ticket that voters can vote FOR, with no reason to vote against.
I can’t imagine that a Jewish VP is that controversial these days? Maybe it’s because I’m from the East Coast, or am just naive.
Naive.
Explain, please.
There has never been a Jewish president or vice president because of the antisemitism that always has existed in this country. American antisemitism now has reached new heights not seen in years. The number of antisemitic incidents are at recent all time highs.
If we have a presidential candidate whose husband is a Jew and a Jewish vp candidate, you can bet your life on the fact that a miserable bigot like Trump will pull out all the familiar dog whistles starting with Harris and Shapiro are backed, supported , and even funded by an international cartel of bankers who control the world. etc.; he may even actually say Jews or for certain mention George Soros. It will be Father Coughlin on steroids.
Those age old powerful lies will resonate strongly with the millions of antisemites in this country. And they will vote against the “ nefarious Jewish conspiracy threatening America.” Sad but unfortunately true.
This all makes me so angry. How can someone as evil as Trump have so many supporters ? I know—they are looking for group identity based on hating “the other”. It is sick and simple-minded. I feel sorry for dyed-in-the-wool Republicans voters who feel they have no home, but don’t realize that their old values will be trampled by Trump and Project 2025. A dear friend from my childhood is a Republican, husband spent his life moving around the world with the military. She is far from stupid, but Trump says he values what she values. In reality he values nothing, particularly her family’s sacrifices to serve around the world.
But to the topic at hand, I studied Russia and Poland all my life. I know the origin of the banker tropes. Of course it was the Christian’s who couldn’t ruin their chances of going to heaven by handling money—so someone else got to do it. It is that sort of thinking and the idea of the Rapture which will only take certain people to heaven that make one wonder about organized religion. Often it is a great thing, but it is also the basis for being rather distant from God or Christ. I try so hard not to listen to abstracted concepts about groups of people. I grew up on Ling Island. My class in high school was split between Jews and Catholics. I was baptized in a Protestant church, and was therefore an outlier.
People seem so keen not to take personal responsibility for things, and must find others to blame. Did you see the mother they had at the RNC? Her son had taken illegal drugs that were laced with fentanyl and he died. That is a real tragedy. But she said that it was not her fault at all, it was Joe Biden and his border policy. What parent shifts responsibility so completely? No doubts? No questions? I think I would be second-guessing all my decisions and actions for the rest of my life. Sorry for the blather. What you say about the VP and Harris’ husband is probably true, but no less distressing for that.
uh-oh
I’m hoping it’s Mark Kelly. I think he is centrist enough to pull
In swing voters and his experience from a border state will be helpful.
He’s a veteran which helps solidify his appeal, beyond the coolness factor of astronaut.
I know it puts the Senate balance at risk but there’s a couple of years to sort that out.
I really like Waltz as I’m originally from Minnesota but I’m hoping that some of the success there runs off on my adopted state next door. We need to fix Wisconsin politics. Maybe feeding kids would be a start.
Also glad we have moved on from attacking anyone who wanted Biden to step down. I felt like a Cassandra for a bit there. Kamala is doing even better than I thought and Biden should be proud of his accomplishments.
As a Minnesotan, I am definitely biased toward Gov Walz. He has fabulous people skills and is a wonderful communicator. He has done great work governing MN both for the people and business. Lt Governor, Flanagan, is an Indigenous person who Walz has gladly partnered with. He is an excellent public servant leader. If chosen, MN will miss him but he leaves an enduring legacy.
Let me just say that whomever she picks will become the VP nominee I support, no question about it!!
That being said, they all have great qualities and bring a lot to the table, but I'm a Hoosier and therefore would LOVE to see Pete Buttigieg (42), just not sure the country is ready, sadly, for that "ticket" yet. So moving on to Walz & Kelly, both are 60 and Kamala Harris will be 60 by election day. She keeps getting referred to as "someone younger" and she's definitely younger than Biden but still, and I say this cuz I'm 77, while 60 seems "young" to me, it doesn't necessarily seem "younger" to Gen Z and Millennials, who happen to be the ages of my 5 grandchildren. Sharpiro (51) and Beshear (46) both bring a more youthful appeal. Now I realize, that's just looking at it from an age stand point and obviously there are other factors to consider. As I said at the start, I will support wholeheartedly whomever she feels is the right candidate!! 💙💙
Agreed!🇺🇸💙🌵😎👩🏻💯🌏👍🏼
Waltz.
I was thinking Shapiro would be a good choice but have since ran into some of his policies, school vouchers for one, that I don't agree with at all. Kelly seemed a good choice but his stance is a little to right for me on several issues. And then there came Walz and I love what I'm seeing; humor, intelligence, and a real commitment to working Americans. There truly is a wealth of riches from which Kamala can choose, but I think Walz would be a breath of fresh air!
I'm all in for Walz. We can't afford to lose Kelly in the Senate. Beshear is great too.
1) Walz 2) Beshear
Kelly. Shapiro’s stand on Gaza is unacceptable for so many of us who have fought since the 60’s against this assault on a people. Love Pete too
It's good to have a "deep bench" and many articulate "surrogates" who stand for the same principles and come in all sizes, shapes and colors. Kamala can't mKe a bad choice ... and the "unchosen" will campaign strongly for the ticket. It's been a long wait.
I'm really pulling for Mark Kelly, even though it's a swing state with fewer EVs than Pennsylvania. Kelly is very solid on the issues, has that astronaut hero aura, and is uniquely qualified to speak on the issue of the GQP's insane policy toward firearms due to who his wife happens to be.
Kelly is the safest choice, although not as gifted an orator as some of the others. I like Shapiro but his selection could result in unnecessary drama in the Party over Gaza. I’d probably prefer Walz and Beshear over Kelly as campaigners. I don’t think she can go wrong (like Trump with Vance). She’s right to stretch the process out as long as possible both for vetting purposes and to keep Trump out of the news cycle.
Kelly, please.
I like Kelly too. I like him a lot. But I worry about the stress and strain on his wife that would be involved in moving to the VP’s house, and appearing at all these functions. She’s a hero to me.
If she can survive what she has been through I think she'd be okay. She's a pro. Besides, she doesn.t have to go everywhere he goes, does she? They will have a lot of help doing this for them as have the others moving them as well.
This is lovely.
I'll answer the last question first.
I believe that VP Harris will prevail. She will be our next president. And she'll be a good solid president and a great representative for this nation.
Who do I think she should pick for VP? This may sound odd, but she should pay particular attention to how youthful her VP pick should be. The two that spring to mind are Shapiro and Buttigieg. Of the two I think Shapiro would be her pick. As good as he is I don't think this is Buttigieg's time.
Now, to stir the pot a bit, I also think Sen. Kelly would be an outstanding VP pick. He's a very strong personality and he's energetic. He would pass the youthful beauty contest. He's also a 2nd amendment supporter in favor of reasonable gun restrictions. And being a senator on a border state, he knows probably better than most what problems border security poses and what solutions we should adopt.
Exactly; THE BORDER ISSUE is his to own. HE LIVES THERE! It’s been said Trump was holding out for this “fix” to be his. No one knows better the terrain, the possibilities of adding a checkpoint to stem the tide in AZ. Migrants, many will be good citizens in time. They take jobs many current citizens feel are beneath them. What a crock of entitled BS but there is truth in that view! Migrants support our economy with reasonable expectations and delight in leaving chaos in their countries of origin. They deserve a chance to improve this one.
I dunno, other than she should pick someone who compounds good chemistry in the campaign and governance as she has for Biden. As for Walz, I am living in Minnesota and deliberately voted for him for governor because he sounded like someone who could cross over and nab the Trump-inclined voters. I live in the rural landscape of ominous Trump flags. He needed more than progressives to win and he did. I think he has been an excellent governor. I would not have thought he would have attracted VP attention which just shows you how much I know about this! But in addition to a non-elite background, he served in the national guard. He chose an Anishnaabe running mate, Peggy Flanagan, who has been a high profile LG. They have done well by this state. (I did not know until I read some of the comments that he has trended with the young voters!)
I like Mayor Pete, Beshear
Walz and Shapiro. Electoral Count is important. Also think how each state selects Governor to replace B. W. Or S. i
It is vitally important going past Nov 5. If a Lt. Gov is a republican, it may not help that state in certifying the states electoral count come January 6th. Each state has a different format when an elected Governor steps down to run at the National level. Harris doesn’t have a lot of time. May she choose wisely for our future as well as the state her VP choice is from.
While winning is the most important motivation that is truly unknowable. All have electability baggage to second guess if it goes wrong. Best to revert to who would be the best partner in governing. Glad it's Harris's choice instead of ours.
Tim Walz or Mark Kelly
She’s got to be thinking who she wants in the room when tough moral decisions are on the table. And who does she trust to be a strong sounding board?
Mark Kelly . Only because flipped a red state .
I just think announcing her VP pick in PA leans toward Shapiro. I bet he agrees. I would love to have Pete. Maybe Pete for Secretary of State!
I'm from NJ and have been pro Shapiro for a while but am beginning to move toward Walz--Hey, does that make me a flip-flopper???
It's fine to change your mind when new information is received and the situation is different. Only small-minded people think they shouldn't change their minds.
Agreed
I choose Mark Kelly for the border, gun control, women’s rights but will be happy with anyone she selects. They have to work as a team and that requires a chemistry of sorts that the two will need to preview.
I would be happy with any of the choices, they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I will choose to focus on their strengths.
My heart wants Pete, but I fear losing him as Transportation Secretary where he has been so productive and trustworthy with the single largest pot of money. He is IMO the MOST qualified.
Shapiro has proven he can get shit done-recall the bridge collapse which was repaired in miraculous time? Yes he has baggage-let he who has no fault cast the first stone.
Walz, in my opinion, has the greatest appeal across social, economic and cultural divisions. He presents as a good, kind, honest, intelligent, fun, normal person. Who can’t relate to that? , (I’m sorry for you if you can’t)
Mark Kelly, another good person of high character with strong government ( Senate ) experience who will quickly find his bearings in the role.
Gov Beshear is a dark horse for me as I am much less familiar with him or his accomplishments. I honestly can’t cite any specifics beyond the obvious. Choosing a seasoned, experienced, well liked, progressive Governor from a culturally “southern” area dominated by Mitch McConnell’s backward policies could be a big boost towards creating bridges and building coalitions in an area that needs help growing the practice of Democracy.
The only thing I’m 100% confident in is any of them will be good picks and I absolutely will trust Our Future MADAM President’s choice! I’m with Kamala and she is with US, THE PEOPLE.
Kelly
Honestly, I totally trust Kamala Harris to choose the running mate who feels right for her. Any of those you’ve named is certainly qualified. The only goal is to keep the malignant one from ever holding office again. I will vote the Democratic ticket.
All seem outstanding - truly a deep bench. An outstanding communicator and accomplished record is most important. So my ranked list is Shapiro, Walz, Bashear, Kelly and Buttiegig (the best communicator). Put all in cabinet except Kelly may be more valuable as a senator (beyond protecting that seat).
I like Shapiro, and he could bring the state of PA, but it seems he's a bit polarizing with his comments about Gaza. And I love Buttigieg because he's such an amazing communicator, but he doesn't bring a state. Andy Beshear is awesome but I doubt KY is in play. My money is on Tim Walz or Mark Kelly.
Shapiro is responsible for delivering Pennsylvania whether he’s on the ticket or not. He adds no value here.
Agree! And he does have like a 50% favorability rating.
Well put!